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I've been listening to bits of the discussion about this following the confirmation from the HFEA that parents will only be able to perform gender selection for medical reasons (e.g. avoiding heamophilia), not personal, social or "so-called family balancing reasons" but I'm afraid I'm finding that this is one of those questions where I'm not entirely sure what to think. On the one hand, I've heard very few good arguments against gender selection. Many people seem to have a gut reaction against it, but I don't understand why. This encourages me to align it in my mind with the many other scientific debates where the public have ill-informed objections. On the other hand, I'm not sure I can see good reasons for allowing it either. I don't think, for example, that it should be available on the NHS for non medical reasons.

The one reasonable person I heard speaking against it argued essentially that gender selection gives you an illusion of control which, if it doesn't work out could be damaging for you and the child. So for example you chose to have a girl because you have a certain perception of the way girls are. If your child turns out still not to be like that (perhaps she's a tomboy, for example) then your disappointment will affect you as a parent and the development of your child. This makes sense to me, but is it a strong enough arguement to restrict choice? After all, there are plently of avenues available for the parent/child relationship to mess up. If you're fixated on having a girl and you have a boy, won't your feelings of dissappointment in that case have a similar effect?

So what do you think? And more importantly, why do you think it?

Re: Impact

Date: November 17th, 2003 05:38 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] cleanskies.livejournal.com
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"... ultimately society will crumble without greater female rights. So further control measures may necessarily have to be a short-term reaction."

Short-term solutions have a nasty habit of becoming long-term ways of life. The Handmaid's Tale is fiction, and like all fiction says more about its social context than actual real-world severely female-oppressive regimes (of which there are many).

"ready and willing"

OK, "ready and willing" could cover everything I mentioned.

"alternative: UN viral-like efforts with female education, UNDP efforts, etc."

Of course, it's only an opinion; but I don't see this as an alternative. Education of women is the only way of raising their status as opposed to their value.

Education programmes for women form key work for every major NGO (Non-Governmental Organisation) in the world. Apart from raising the status of the women involved in such programmes, side effects include lowered child mortality, better educated and healthier children, increased general, reproductive and sexual health (men and women), home income generation, capacity building, better resistance to crises and problems, and, in the end, decreased poverty.

"no one seems willing to seriously try any more"
See above.

Re: Impact

Date: November 17th, 2003 06:50 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
1. I mention HMT on the grounds it expresses the most extreme (and not common model today...though I reserve North Korea for special mention) concept of an unbalanced sexual-rights society. The reality in most places is far more complicated, very often women making themselves prisoners by their ignorance or beliefs - though I'm sure that'll push a lot of hot buttons out there. :-)

2. I agree completely about the value and worth of female education around the world (including the First World, if one reads the likes of Anne Coulter, ;-) ), I just don't think it is getting anything like the resources it needs to fully succeed.

you've crossed yourself

Date: November 17th, 2003 08:30 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] cleanskies.livejournal.com
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by arguming simulaneously that:

a) oppression inevitably leads to revolt ("I maintain that with sufficient pressure, even the most patient societies revolt")

and,

b) that women conspire in their own oppression ("very often women making themselves prisoners by their ignorance or beliefs ")

b) is demonstrably true, and I would never dream of arguing against it --- a) is a political opinion.

Re: you've crossed yourself

Date: November 17th, 2003 06:09 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
No, I don't see these points as mutual -exclusive or -negating.

Sadly, I think 'b' has been the classic solution of slowing the inevitable outcome of 'a.' In this respect, 'tradition' and 'religion' can be considered very suspiciously.

Mind you, 'b' is a very strong feminist view, and certainly not one everyone subscribes to, including women.

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