That attitude, while sometimes harsh, is pragmatic.
Quite right. Extrapolated to Kosovo ... horrible as it was, the international community really couldn't act *until* there was a cross-border refugee situation. Early interdiction may be seem easier/better, but you're right on that nasty slipperly slope. More importantly the lesson to be learnt from 11 September, and the Oklahoma City bombing for that matter, is that the opinion of a few backwoodsmen in the hinterlands in reaction to your (inter-) national IS important.
A crying need for ethical behaviour - not roughshod application of 'universal' democratic values (Napolean complex?).
There are dubious regiemes all over the world who take part in the sort of activities you describe. Why aren't we marching on Harari (sp?) to unseat Mugabe right now? Why aren't we threatening to nuke Saudi Arabia - after all, as well as having a despotic regieme they too have in the past (and presumably still) sold weapons and provided funds to groups like Al-Queda.
Or far older and equally important situations in Burma, Tibet, Xinjian, Chechnya? Convenient to ignore still it seems ... even when the light of bona fide democracy refuses to die in places like Burma.
Or, for all our worry over Iraq's attempts to acquire nuclear weapons and Israel pre-emptive strikes on potential breeder reactors, what about Japan? They have breeder reactors all over the bloody place with credible missile technology to boot. Besides being massively armed by the Americans and have been amid a slow shift to more and more proactive military missions.
It's no mistake the Chinese, Koreans, Taiwanese, and even Thais are arming themselves with blue water navies!
Hell, Bush himself is doing pretty well for environmental disasters as well as social and moral evils - they'll be drilling up Alaska any day now, he's determined to continue spewing out carbons like there's no tomorrow in defiance of the US' treaty obligations, he's quite happy to continue with the death penalty despite the overwhelming evidence about the racial and sexual bias with which it is applied.
The fundamental problem, as TinyJo has identified, is that international law is valueless if the sole remaining superpower refuses to abide by its conventions. Under those circumstances power relationships of real politik are the only veritable alternative. In which case the rest of the world had better fucking arm themselves pronto! A nuclear weapon for everyone I say. Liberation through armament & confrontation ... everything the UN and international law exists to prevent.
Now, a transgression of international convention *might* be permissible if the risks are distributed evenly, that is to say the majority of international opinion agrees that this rule should be set aside in favour of a more pressing need. This American administration has utterly failed to build this kind of support.^
Frankly, whilst it's easy to rubbish Bush for being a REAL SHIT, the fact is all US administrations have bent or broken international law - I remember Clinton's punitive missile strikes on Sudan (a fellow member state of the General Assembly) and Afghanistan most poigniantly. Perhaps it's just that this administration lacks the basic finesse required to carry it off without too many ruffled feathers...
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^ Now this does pose a very real argument against a system that requires a crime of cross-boundary nature to occur BEFORE action is taken, and then is a necessarily slow process. However, since no one has bothered to actually set up an alternative everyone can agree to, or even basic principles with agreed-upon application that one might build an alternative from - WE MUST KEEP what we have and works, for the most part.
In the US case, using American democratic values as the model of international living under US military hegemony IS NOT sustainable.
Try as this administration might, Iraq has nothing to do with terrorists ... until they provide better proof, to their own Congress, let alone the public.
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Date: January 30th, 2003 10:10 am (UTC)From:Quite right. Extrapolated to Kosovo ... horrible as it was, the international community really couldn't act *until* there was a cross-border refugee situation. Early interdiction may be seem easier/better, but you're right on that nasty slipperly slope. More importantly the lesson to be learnt from 11 September, and the Oklahoma City bombing for that matter, is that the opinion of a few backwoodsmen in the hinterlands in reaction to your (inter-) national IS important.
A crying need for ethical behaviour - not roughshod application of 'universal' democratic values (Napolean complex?).
There are dubious regiemes all over the world who take part in the sort of activities you describe. Why aren't we marching on Harari (sp?) to unseat Mugabe right now? Why aren't we threatening to nuke Saudi Arabia - after all, as well as having a despotic regieme they too have in the past (and presumably still) sold weapons and provided funds to groups like Al-Queda.
Or far older and equally important situations in Burma, Tibet, Xinjian, Chechnya? Convenient to ignore still it seems ... even when the light of bona fide democracy refuses to die in places like Burma.
Or, for all our worry over Iraq's attempts to acquire nuclear weapons and Israel pre-emptive strikes on potential breeder reactors, what about Japan? They have breeder reactors all over the bloody place with credible missile technology to boot. Besides being massively armed by the Americans and have been amid a slow shift to more and more proactive military missions.
It's no mistake the Chinese, Koreans, Taiwanese, and even Thais are arming themselves with blue water navies!
Hell, Bush himself is doing pretty well for environmental disasters as well as social and moral evils - they'll be drilling up Alaska any day now, he's determined to continue spewing out carbons like there's no tomorrow in defiance of the US' treaty obligations, he's quite happy to continue with the death penalty despite the overwhelming evidence about the racial and sexual bias with which it is applied.
The fundamental problem, as TinyJo has identified, is that international law is valueless if the sole remaining superpower refuses to abide by its conventions. Under those circumstances power relationships of real politik are the only veritable alternative. In which case the rest of the world had better fucking arm themselves pronto! A nuclear weapon for everyone I say. Liberation through armament & confrontation ... everything the UN and international law exists to prevent.
Now, a transgression of international convention *might* be permissible if the risks are distributed evenly, that is to say the majority of international opinion agrees that this rule should be set aside in favour of a more pressing need. This American administration has utterly failed to build this kind of support.^
Frankly, whilst it's easy to rubbish Bush for being a REAL SHIT, the fact is all US administrations have bent or broken international law - I remember Clinton's punitive missile strikes on Sudan (a fellow member state of the General Assembly) and Afghanistan most poigniantly. Perhaps it's just that this administration lacks the basic finesse required to carry it off without too many ruffled feathers...
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^ Now this does pose a very real argument against a system that requires a crime of cross-boundary nature to occur BEFORE action is taken, and then is a necessarily slow process. However, since no one has bothered to actually set up an alternative everyone can agree to, or even basic principles with agreed-upon application that one might build an alternative from - WE MUST KEEP what we have and works, for the most part.
In the US case, using American democratic values as the model of international living under US military hegemony IS NOT sustainable.
Try as this administration might, Iraq has nothing to do with terrorists ... until they provide better proof, to their own Congress, let alone the public.