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Emptied of expectation. Relax. ([personal profile] tinyjo) wrote2002-04-18 10:42 am

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I've just got emails from Microsoft confirming that I am now an MCSE and an MSDBA. It looks like you get a bit better stuff from this that just MCP - possibly free MSDN subscription for a year. It's not quite clear from the mail but they promise they've sent me a welcome pack which has the full details (and my badge :) ) so we'll soon see.

[identity profile] soulsong.livejournal.com 2002-04-18 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
Pro-Microsoft as I am, the one thing I don't like about them is their liking for certification exams. I got into programming in the first place after university because I made a vow never to do any more exams (which precluded an accountancy career thank god), and I'll be damned if I need Microsoft's approval of my skills now! :)

Fortunately, not being certified doesn't seem to have had much impact on my job chances. Experience still seems to rule the day. Although, I guess having a good maths degree probably mitigates the lack of MCSE et al.

[identity profile] tinyjo.livejournal.com 2002-04-18 03:11 am (UTC)(link)
I know what you mean. I wouldn't have bothered if it hadn't been part of my joining package - it just seemed wasteful not to go for when it was there for the taking.

It's actually made me very skeptical about MS qualifications as they claim that you can't manage the exams unless you have some experience which is just not true - the only one I did that you could describe me as having genuine experience with was the database design and implementation exam - the rest of them I just relied on the course for.

[identity profile] andypop.livejournal.com 2002-04-18 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Pro-Microsoft as I am

You're the first person I've ever encountered who's said such a thing. I used to wonder why people were anti-Microsoft (back when I used a Mac and never had to use their products). Now I use a PC at home & work, I know why. Every day I'm staggered by the poor quality of the software we use.

So, you're pro - why, exactly?!

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[identity profile] soulsong.livejournal.com 2002-04-19 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
Because I'm a software developer who writes for Windows. My livelihood and the Microsoft hegemony are intimately intertwined. Secondary considerations are that MS make the best (easiest to use, most fully-featured) development environments I've seen. Over the course of my career there have been many opportunities to jump to other OS's or development environments, eg Progress, Delphi, PowerBuilder, Java etc, but none of these has really delivered anything that beats MS in my opinion. Before I started coding with Visual Basic 3 back in 1994 I had been doomed to mainframe PL/1 work. Microsoft has been great for my career.

Even so, I wouldn't support MS as much as I do if I didn't like their products.

It wasn't always this way though. I used to love my old Amiga. Hated PC's when they first came along. I was disappointed that the PC won out over more innovative platforms, but that's business I guess.

I guess I just don't see all the bad things that MS is alleged to do. All I see is a company that is phenomenally good at competing in the marketplace, doing what any company would do in its position.

Frankly, if you're going to be an evil capitalist (and I do believe capitalism is evil), you may as well be good at it.

[identity profile] tinyjo.livejournal.com 2002-04-19 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
MS make the best (easiest to use, most fully-featured) development environments I've seen

I have *never* found a development enviroment that I like using other than text editors. That's not even an anti-Microsoft thing really, although most of the one's I've tried have been MS - even in Dreamweaver I never use the GUI except for previewing. It seems to be something in the way my brain is wired - I just can't seem to get the hang of them.

Possibly it's a manifestation of my control-freak nature.

On the products front, I'm mixed. I like using Win2k because, thanks to the training courses, I know it like the back of my hand and I can see that it makes a reasonable compromise between fending off users who don't know what they're doing and allowing those who do to turn those bits off (although the security is still a little lacking) and things like SQL server seem to be quite good from my limited experience (they work fine for me) but I hate Word with a passion. And Powerpoint. Everything is so fiddly! I usually end up writing documents and presentations in HTML because I haven't got the energy to force Word/PP to do what I want.

The other thing which concerns me with Microsoft is their attempts to gain hegemony over everything. I realise that this is natural behaviour for a company in a capitalist society but it is also recognised by society through competition and monopolies legislation that it's rarely a good thing for the consumer if one company controls the whole of a market, leading to higher prices and less innovation (similar to the way you often find that you get much farther with a problem if you discuss it with another person - their ideas/actions spark things in you which might not otherwise have arrived). It's been shown in both nature and business that diversity ends up being much stronger than mono-cultures and I hope that governments continue to restrain Microsofts efforts to create a mono-culture.

Wow. That turned out to be longer than I expected!

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[identity profile] andypop.livejournal.com 2002-04-21 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not the Bill-Gates-is-evil argument I was referring to - simply that the Microsoft programs I use (Word, Outlook Express, etc) don't work as well as their (generally more basic) equivalents I used on the Mac. I used to use Clarisworks, for instance, and the word-processing bit of that is straightforward, easy to use, and doesn't continually do things to your formatting without telling you. Word will revert to its default font and point size in mid document - or to a font and point size you were using earlier - and add weird bits of formatting which make it impossible to get your document the way you want it, unless you spend ages learning how to stop it. Some of this may be useful at times (anticipating what you want to do), but generally I find it infuriating, especially when it makes changes which appear to be completely random. It's just bad design. Ditto for Outlook Express - the new version actually has fewer useful features than the previous one! You can't change the font colour any more, and more seriously, you can't send blind copies any more.

I would begrudge MS's unpleasant and illegal business practices a bit less if their software actually was the best available, but it's just not. It just happens to be, too often, all that's available.

Sorry to rant... but sitting at the computer right now only serves to remind me how much I miss using a Mac!

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[identity profile] soulsong.livejournal.com 2002-04-21 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish I could agree with you, but to be honest MS Word was the first product that tempted me away from my Amiga and onto PC's back in 1993 and I haven't seen anything better since. I've experienced the same bizarre weirdness as you regarding the strange formatting and reversion to the default font, but I always figured it's because I have never really read the instructions. I suppose it can be argued that if we need a manual for a word processor, then it's not easy enough to use, but the problem still remains that I havent seen any other word processor I've preferred for almost a decade now. :(

As for Outlook Express, yes it lacks several useful features that have been standard in Outlook for several versions now, which is annoying. I'm still not entirely convinced it's superior to Pegasus Mail, which is what I always used to use. On the other hand, I dunno which version you're using, but in version 6 on the PC, I can still change the font colour and send blind copies. I dont remember those features ever being missing.

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[identity profile] andypop.livejournal.com 2002-04-21 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, we're using whatever version Outlook Express insisted on downloading, so I assume it must be the latest...

[identity profile] andypop.livejournal.com 2002-04-21 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
And another thing... (waves fist angrily like the teachers in the Bash Street Kids) I wrote some text for a website in Word recently, and discovered when it came to test it that Word had fucked up all the links. When I asked other people about it they all said, "oh, it's notorious for that." How crap can you get?

[identity profile] soulsong.livejournal.com 2002-04-21 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh, you don't want to be writing web pages in Word...

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[identity profile] soulsong.livejournal.com 2002-04-21 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Chuckle. I use notepad myself. Or sometimes Frontpage. Or maybe Visual Interdev. Can only trust notepad though. The rest think they know better than I do.

[identity profile] soulsong.livejournal.com 2002-04-19 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, and my boyfriend works for MS. Another reason to wish them well. :)
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just like Blue Peter

[identity profile] cleanskies.livejournal.com 2002-04-18 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
Wow! You get a badge? Cool!

Jrmy

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[identity profile] tinyjo.livejournal.com 2002-04-18 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
Have you not seen my MCP one? Oh no, wait, I never wear it! Remind me to show them off when they arrive :)